can anyone tell me what this engine code means ??

[tinman 14]

hi all,yet again going through some of my stuff today and noticed an unusual code on the block of one of my spare engines,i was told when i got the engine it was a 1600e engine that needs a rebuild although im not sure if it is or it isnt ?? anyway the engine code reads 681f 6015 DA ,what does DA mean??  can anyone tell me please ?? i though they always ended AA =1300 or BA=1600 never seen seen DA before 

[Lotuscops 80]

The following article gives detailed information about replacement Ford cylinder blocks, their history, and what to look out for.
Some of you may require now, or in the future, to find a replacement cylinder block for various reasons. Such as non-original ventilation holes caused by escaping conrods, worn out bores or a desire to increase capacity. I thought it might be helpful to jot down a few relevant paragraphs to clarify what the different blocks are and where they may be found. I propose to deal with blocks which can be used with crossflow type cranks or steel ones of similar dimensions, for those who wish to build big capacity engines. Firstly, identification. Start by checking the casting number which is situated at the left hand lower rear of the block. This number always ends in 6015 which is Ford Motor Co’s part number for cylinder blocks. It’s the numbers and suffix letter preceding this number which are important, provided they are CAST IN as part of then block. If they’ve been ground off and something else overstamped you could have anything. So, now for the blocks as Henry VIII said to Anne Boleyn. There are eight different blocks which can be of use to us. Five take a Lotus crank, the other three were originally used in 1600cc crossflow motors. These are the numbers to look for: 122E 6015 Early Lotus & GT, very rare 120E 6015 1500 Cortina, Capri, Lotus, Cortina (L/C), 1500GT 2731 6015 MKII 1500 Cortina 681F 6015 MKII L/C 701M 6015 Found in the most odd places, rare and desirable All above can be used with 4 bolt or 6 bolt L/C cranks. 681F 6015 Early 1600 Xflow, 1600E, etc. 2737E 6015 Early 1600 Xflow, 1600E, etc.	711M 6016 MKII Escort, MKIII, MKIV, Cortina, Single Wheel Transit These three require crossflow crank and machining of top face. Of the first five blocks, with the exception of 2731 6015, all were produced as ‘L’ Block, i.e. letter L cast into block between right hand engine mounting bolt holes. This normally means that they have been cast with more metal around the cylinder bores, to accommodate the larger bore of the Twin Cam as compared to ordinary Cortinas. It DOES NOT FOLLOW however that they were all used in Lotus engines, as many of them found their way into the Ford engine exchange scheme and trundled around for years propelling Granddad and his Yorkshire Terrier in the trusty 1500cc MKI. If you can find one of these, it is in effect a new L/C block, as 1500cc Cortina bore size is 1.5mm less than the L/C. For this reason, always check the engine in any scrap Cortina MKI or MKII. We have found 6 ‘L’ blocks in this way in the last 12 years! In spite of the foregoing, blocks without the ‘L’ marking can be used in L/Cs in 90% of cases, and there is another marking to watch out for which gives a clue. This is the T number, cast into the top middle left of the block, and front right, adjacent to the distributor. As a general rule, any non ‘L’ block numbered T1, T2, or T3, will bore out to Lotus + .040 bore size. ‘L.’ type blocks carrying these low T numbers mostly can be bored to 85mm without going porous, which gives 1650cc and 150-155 BHP with appropriate head and camshaft mods. This is getting towards “Sod the expense, give the cat another goldfish” for road use however, as 85mm pistons are rare and expensive. Now a brief rundown on each block, its pros and cons. (1)       122E 6015 Originally used in some early Cortina GT, Capri GT, early L/C. Very rarely seen, most have worn out or blown up. Will normally bore to 83.5mm, originally used 4 bolt crank,	has round section main bearing caps which don’t survive long about 7000 rpm. (2)      120E 6015 The most common MKI Cortina block, basically same as (1) above although will usually bore larger if its an ‘L’ type block. (3)      2731 6015 The last of the 1500cc non ‘L’ blocks, originally fitted with 6 bolt crank, usually bores to 83.5mm OK. Requires relieving for clearance if fitted with a Lotus crank. Round main caps. (4)      681F 6015 The ‘L’ version of this block was the original fitment in MKII L/Cs and obviously takes the 3020E type b6 bolt L/C crank. Round main caps. Most will bore to 85mm if they have a low ‘T’ number. (5)      701M 6015 Something rather special, reputedly of Ford Germany origin probably for the Escort T/C. Only made as an ‘L’ block, a meatier casting altogether, with big square main caps, the best basis for a competition engine, and much sought after. Many were used with 81mm bores towards the end of Ford’s engine exchange scheme for the 1500cc Cortina, so you know where to look! All the above blocks can be used with 4 bolt or 6 bolt crankshafts, but you must use the correct sump, as they are not interchangeable and if fitting a 6 bolt crank in an early block you have some fancy welding to do on the oil pick up pipe. We now come to the 1600cc type blocks, to which people are turning for a useful capacity increase and easier availability. (1)      681F 6015 Confusing, as this early crossflow unit used in 1600Es and 1600 GTs carries the same number as the MK II L/C but is easily

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distinguished as they were never produced as ‘L’ blocks and are 7/16th” taller. Fitted with the weaker round main caps, hardly worth the effort converting, unless you’ve got one kicking about that owes you nothing. 2737E 6015 Virtually identical to above, except it has a dipstick hole at right hand rear, which must be blocked off if used with a Cortina sump. Found in 69-71 Capris and “coke bottle” Cortinas. 711M 6015	No doubt someone amongst our readers will say they have an ‘L’ block, other than a 701M with square caps. This is entirely possible because there are other people as mean as I am, who find a scrap crossflow 711M block, transfer the caps and blots to their ‘L’ block and have it line bored, saving the cost of steel caps at £60 odd. It is possible to fit six bolt cranks to early blocks and vice versa. I’ve come across both. Very few Twin Cam engines I’ve dismantled in the last five years have had their original block, head or crankshaft, stark testimony to a combination of poor maintenance, sub standard antifreeze and lots of right foot!	proposition for a road car. It is also not legal in this country in any form of motorsport where it would be competitive. Where Twin Cams of such capacity are allowed they usually have to run against B.D.A.s or Pintos and can not reliably match the power of either. For those desiring a meaty, big capacity road engine and less concerned with originality, a safer route to follow is to obtain one of the late type (South African) 711M crossflow blocks and have it bored to 85mm, which gives 1760cc on the standard crossflow 1600 block. Carefully assembled by an experienced engine builder, using a tuftrided crank, with a decently modified big valve head and Lotus 14 type cams.
The best 1600cc block, meaty casting and strong main caps. Its associated crank and rods usually stand 7200rpm when tuftrided and balanced and normally bores out to 83.5mm O.K. (1700cc). Larger bores than this not recommended, as to fit a T/C they have to have approx. ¼” machined off top face and if bored beyond 83.5 they become weak and prone to cylinder heads dancing about and/or porous cylinder bores. When used in a L/C all three of these units, once correctly machined, accept all the other components of a MKII L/C engine, sump,	Such an engine will produce 155 BHP, loads of torque and last for ages if rev limited to 7,200 rpm. This would give a MK II Lotus Cortina, on the standard 3.7 diff a theoretical top speed of 130 mph! A word of caution on 1760cc engines. The conversion is NOT one that I recommend, as it is necessary to use special pistons and/or conrods. Such engines normally have a short life due to stesses set up by components not designed to run together. Such a unit is  not a practical, or economic
flywheel, head, etc. but require longer timing chain, tensioner plunger and spacers for top of timing cover and bottom of oil tube. If a camshaft change and carburetter rejetting are done at the same time, 145-140 BH and lots of torque are readily available.		This article is written by Bryan Moorcroft and is reproduced with the kind permission of the Lotus Cortina Register.
It is normally best to steer clear of blocks which have had cylinder liners fitted, unless the engine has been unused since it was done and there is proof that the work has been done by a competent firm as liners tend to move, causing head gasket problems, unless very carefully fitted. I also thought it worth covering a few additional points on those almost mythical components. In particular, main bearing caps. No series production block, fitted as standard, used square section main bearing caps until the introduction of the ‘711M’ type crossflow blocks in 1970/71. The 710M type ‘L’ block used square caps, but was never a line fitting in any Cortina produced in this country, although some eventually found their way onto Ford’s exchange engine scheme for the 1500cc Cortinas.

 

[tinman 14]

cheers for that buddy,  have just had a good read through of the article and learned a few things i didnt know before on engine codes which is going to be very useful   ,unfortunately i still couldnt find any reference relating to what the DA letters following the engine codes were but did find some information after a few hours of googling which apparently DA means "tall deck" so im just as confused now if not more so as i was before 

[Topdown 0]

I am confused too!

Can anyone explain what a ‘tall deck’ means!

[DHV571D 16]

Just guessing but tall deck or taller engine block could be done to provide a low compression engine. 1600 Crossflows were used in Fork trucks, airport tugs and dock handling machinery where low compression/hi torque units were required? I bought a NOS crate crossflow which was kept as a spare for a fork truck (Running on propane) but I don't remember if it had different markings on the block or not... I only wanted the block for a tall block Lotus Twin Cam build so immediately machined 1/4"  off the top of it anyway.

[tinman 14]

must admit i never really thought of them being used in anything other than cars to be honest so makes sense i spose if they may have had different code numbers if being used in machinery instead of cars i just cant find a definite explanation of what the code stands for ,there were two1600 crossflows that came up recently on ebay and apparently both from cortina mk2s with the same identical numbers ending in DA as i have on my engine block but unfortunately neither of the adds shed any light with regards to what the numbers mean 

[consul315 180]

John, as soon as i m home i ll have a look in my industrial engine parts list-maybe i find some info there!

[consul315 180]

sorry, no info in there either!

[tinman 14]

19 hours ago, consul315 said:

sorry, no info in there either!

Hi Hans,i have only just seen your post but a big thankyou for taking the time to have a look for me.  i must admit its driving me a little nuts that i just cant find any definitive info anywhere that says exactly what it means in reference to the engine other than tall deck ...............thanks again Hans and wishing you a merry xmas from me and my lot to you and yours 

[consul315 180]

no problem John, i was curious too, but unfortunately no info. a merry x-mas to you and your family as well-hope we catch up again one day!

[tinman 14]

sounds good Hans and we can too !!!!